MARK FUHRMAN - PRELIMINARY HEARING TESTIMONY, JULY 5-6, 1994

Fuhrman stated that he received a call at 1:05 AM on June 13, 1994 from his supervisor, Det. Ron Phillips and was directed to go to 875 South Bundy. Phillips informed him that there had been a double homicide at that location and that one of the victims was the ex-wife of O. J. Simpson. He was to meet Phillips at the station. He and Phillips arrived at Bundy at 2:10 AM. The outside temperature at that time was 60 F.

Officer Robert Riske met them and gave them an overview and led them to the front of the scene. They walked up through the shrubbery and got as close as they could to the bodies. Not being able to see the crime scene well enough from there without destroying evidence, they asked Riske if there was another way in. They were told yes, then retraced their steps out to the sidewalk, went around to the alley and entered through the open garage door. They noticed no signs of a struggle in the garage, stairway, or in any portion of the house that they had walked through. The lower door between the house and garage was open and the front door was wide open. Riske then told them that two children had been found upstairs and had been taken to the police station. Next, they went out on the landing by the front door and looked down to where the victims were. When asked what items of evidence he could see from there, Fuhrman said he saw a heel print which appeared to be going in a westerly direction towards the alley, away from the bodies. He also saw what appeared to be a knit cap and what looked like a glove at the feet of the male victim in the shrubbery area just to the north of the female victim. He got a better view of the glove and cap from the north residence and noticed the glove was dark brown or black. The cap appeared to be a dark blue or black stocking cap.

From the landing Riske pointed out footsteps that led away from the stairs going west. Fuhrman, Riske and Phillips followed to the right side of the footprints leading westbound and saw a few footprints and what appeared to be drops of blood to the left of the footprints. The footprints were shoe prints that had been imprinted with blood. There were blood drops until there were steps going into a trough area and steps that came back out of the trough area up to the sidewalk at the same level as the residence, and there were more blood drops seen but no footprints. When they walked to the rear gate Fuhrman noticed blood on top of the gate, red stains he thought were blood. He stated, "It looked like a small speck of blood on the turnstile of the lock and at the bottom rail of the gate." As the officers continued further west, Riske pointed out some pieces of change and what Fuhrman believed were spots of blood strewn on the driveway. They then returned to the kitchen area of the house going through the garage.

Shortly thereafter, Phillips notified Fuhrman that Robbery Homicide would be taking over the case. Ms. Clark asked if Fuhrman had waited for the Robbery Homicide detectives, to which Fuhrman replied "Yes, we went out onto the street and we waited for what seemed more than an hour." After Vannatter arrived Fuhrman and Phillips explained the situation to him as they knew it. As Phillips informed Vannatter of where the children were Fuhrman said he was standing there listening to the conversation. Phillips then took Vannatter into the scene and showed him what the rest of them had observed and what officer Riske had pointed out. On re-cross examination he stated that there were actually three officers who had responded to the Bundy scene and had been relieved of their duties when Robbery Homicide took over the case. The other officer was detective Roberts who had arrived at Bundy after Fuhrman and Phillips. He believed that Roberts had interviewed the witnesses who had seen the dog, and said Roberts had gone to the West L. A. station. The three of them had all been relieved of their duties while they were still at Bundy.

Fuhrman stated he had taken some preliminary notes while he was at Bundy before the Robbery Homicide detectives arrived. He gave his notes to Phillips who then turned them over to Lange and Vannatter. He said he touched no evidence and offered no reports on his participation in the investigation. He didn't take any notes at Rockingham because he was no longer on the case. He said he probably knew within an hour of his arrival at Bundy that the Robbery Homicide Division would be taking over. Vannatter arrived around 4:00 AM, Lange at 4:25. Fuhrman said he was not present the entire time that Vannatter and Lange were being briefed after their arrival at Bundy and had no knowledge of a discussion between Phillips and Vannatter regarding the relationship between O. J. Simpson and his former wife. When asked if he knew the Simpsons were divorced, Fuhrman said he thought he had heard that only because he worked in West L. A.

When asked if he left 875 S. Bundy at some point he stated that Lange and Vannatter had asked him and Phillips to take them to O. J. Simpson's house, to make a notification and to get O. J. Simpson to come to the police station and take custody of his children.

Fuhrman related that he went to Rockingham because Vannatter and Lange didn't know the area and had asked him where Rockingham was. When asked what his and Ron Phillips purpose for going to Rockingham said it was to escort Vannatter and show him the way to the location to expedite their travel because he knew the way there. He had been there once before, in 1985 on a call. He did not think of O. J. Simpson as a suspect when they left Bundy. He believed that it was Vannatter's decision at the direction of Commander Bushie to go to Rockingham. It was within a half an hour of Lange's arrival at Bundy that they left for Rockingham. He stated that Phillips, Vannatter, Lange and himself were the only four detectives at the investigation at Bundy. When they left for Rockingham, Lt. Spangler, two uniformed supervisors and he believed more that six officers were left behind at Bundy.

Fuhrman went with the three other detectives to 360 North Rockingham, arriving there around 5:05 to 5:10 AM, they went to the Ashford gate and started buzzing the intercom. As they were approaching the location they saw a white sports utility vehicle parked just north of the Rockingham gate on the east side of Rockingham adjacent to the property and next to the parkway. They rang the buzzer for at least ten to fifteen minutes. During that time Fuhrman noticed a light on upstairs and one on downstairs in the house. After receiving no response in the house, Phillips called on his cellular phone to the police station to have them call Westec to find out if Mr. Simpson was in town or not. A Westec unit arrived within a few minutes while they were still ringing the intercom. Phillips went over and asked the Westec officer for a phone number for the residence and was informed that a supervisor would have to give him that information. When a Westec sergeant arrived a few minutes later, Fuhrman talked to him. He told Fuhrman that he had no knowledge of anyone not being at home. Fuhrman stated that he never asked the sergeant whether anyone was supposed to be home, and did not know if any of the other detectives had asked. The sergeant told them there was a full time maid supposed to be there all the time.

While Phillips was using his cell phone to call the residence, Lange and Vannatter were ringing the intercom. At that point, Fuhrman walked around Rockingham and towards the vehicle, a white Bronco, and noticed that the vehicle was "Parked rather strangely. It was -- it looked like it was parked in a very haphazard manner. The rear end was kicked out a little bit towards the street. The front end was real close to the curb with the tires turned into the curb." As he walked closer he noticed a piece of wood lying on the parkway that looked like it came from a picket fence. Looking closer, he saw that it was freshly broken, there being no signs of weathering on the broken part. He went around the vehicle and was looking it over with the aid of the flashlight he carried in his belt. On the driver's door he saw there was "About an eighth of an inch to a quarter of an inch square round, what I believed to be blood", just above the driver's side door handle. He then got down on the ground and looked at the seam of the lower door where it opened, and saw "Four, three or four little lines, red stained lines, that looked like a brush mark which also looked like blood. They were very small, about a quarter of an inch long". He then looked closely at the vehicle interior through the window and observed a package in the rear cargo area up against the rear seat area, addressed in handwriting to O. J. Simpson in care of Kathy. There was also a four and a half to five foot shovel in the same area as the package, and what appeared to be a heavy gauge plastic in the right storage area.

After making those observations, Fuhrman called Vannatter over and told him "We got a real -- we got an emergency. We got a problem. We got -- we don't know if we have people inside that are in danger, dying, bleeding to death. We have to do something, I don't care whose house this is, we have to do something. We don't know if we have a murder/suicide, a kidnapping, another victim." Vannatter agreed with him and they took their opinions to Lange and Phillips and discussed the possibilities. Vannatter decided that they would go in so Fuhrman jumped over the wall and opened the Ashford gate to let the others in. Fuhrman thought it would have been 5:40 to 5:50 AM at that point.

When questioned about the stains on the Bronco he said he showed the stains to Lange and Vannatter at the time he discovered them and had called them over to the Bronco. When questioned further he said he met the other three detectives at the corner of Ashford and Rockingham and told them "I believe I found some blood on the Bronco", and after showing all three what he had found, Philips and Lange returned to the Ashford gate while he and Vannatter discussed what to do. He said he did not direct anything to the attention of the criminalists and did not participate in the criminalists being directed to evidence. He believed that pictures were taken of the three or four red stains on the bottom of the Bronco door, and had no explanation as to why those stains were not documented in any reports. He said his view of the Bronco from near the middle of the roadway gave him a more extreme view than what the pictures showed. Fuhrman said it had been a combination of all the things he had seen in and on the Bronco, the way it was parked, not getting a response from Simpson's residence, and having come from the scene of a double homicide and Simpson's relation to one of the victims that caused his sense of urgency to do more than stay out on the street. He said "We were concerned for Mr. Simpson more than we thought he was a suspect." It had been five to ten minutes at the most from the time he saw the speck of blood on the Bronco to the time that he went over the wall.

They went to the front door and knocked, got no answer, then walked around the house along a path to where they found guest houses. Phillips looked through the window of the first room, saw a man lying on the bed, then knocked on the door. A male answered the door and Phillips explained there was a possible emergency and asked if anyone was in the house. The man said he didn't know and directed them to the room of O. J. Simpson's daughter Arnelle. The other three detectives went to Arnelle Simpson's bungalow and Fuhrman stayed to find out who the man was and if he was supposed to be there, stating that it was an officer's safety issue for him and the other detectives, that they couldn't leave someone just standing there

The man identified himself as Kato Kaelin and let Fuhrman into his room to look around. Fuhrman opened the closets, went into the bathroom to see if anyone else was in there and looked through the clothes and shoes that Kato had worn the previous night. He asked Kato "Who drives the Bronco?" Kato told him told him it was O. J.'s and that O. J. was the only one who drove it. Fuhrman then asked Kato if anything unusual had happened the previous night. Kato said "Well about a quarter to eleven I heard some crashing on my wall and I thought there was going to be an earthquake but that was the only noise, just one time and my picture shook." " I went outside to see what was going on with the noise and saw a limo at the gate." Kato showed him where he had been at the time of the noise and where he thought the noise was. Fuhrman then interrupted Kato and took him into the house through the rear door, sat him at the bar and told him to relax, another officer would come and talk to him shortly. Vannatter was in the front of the kitchen and Fuhrman told him to go and talk to Kato.

Fuhrman then went out the front door because "I was -- from the statement he made, the crashing sound and from the time he heard it, combined with the blood in the Bronco, the way I was feeling is there is a possibility there could be another victim or suspect that had collapsed or escaped via that route on the southern border of the house." He gauged the location of the noise on the wall as being between the picture and the air conditioner, about two feet west of the air conditioner. Proceeding past the garage he saw a cement path and a cyclone fence running along the south property line. He walked along the path to the location of the air conditioner behind Kato's room.

Walking closer he "Got orientated to where this noise probably came from, I looked down and I saw a dark object. I was probably still fifteen, twenty feet away and I kept walking closer and then I saw when I was a few feet away that it was a glove." He went up to the glove and looked closely at it. He said it looked very similar to the glove he had seen at Bundy and noted that it "Did not match the terrain." "There's a lot of dirt and leaves and this glove was not dirty in the least. It looked a little sticky and moist. Two fingers were stuck to the glove. It looked like it was stuck there with some kind of liquid." He then went past the air conditioning duct "looking for the person that might have dropped this glove. Thinking that they were farther down the walkway, I ran into spider webs immediately" which indicated "Nobody had walked on that path lately or recently, especially not within hours." He continued all the way east on the path to a twenty-five foot square plant potting area and looked for evidence of blood or a victim that had collapsed. Finding none he went and told Phillips of his find and took Phillips, Vannatter and Lange there individually to show them the glove. Almost immediately after seeing the glove Vannatter said "This is now a crime scene. Seal it. I'm going to write a warrant." He believed it was around 7:30 to 8:00 AM at that point.

When asked if the landing was the vantage point he first observed the glove from he replied "Not first no" and went on to explain that he first noticed the glove after he exited the residence the first time and went around to the townhouse to the north of 875 Bundy and looked through an iron fence. "Looking there I could see them down at his feet." When asked if a plant obscured the glove he replied " There was a plant that kind of cascaded down over the top of one portion of it, yes". From the front landing the female victim was laying about three feet below them and the male victim about ten to twelve feet away. There was some light from the doorway cascading over the area and they also had their flashlights to help them view the scene. He found garage door open and didn't know who had opened it. He thought the children may have showed the officers where the inside switch was. He walked past a white Ferrari as they went through the garage.

He said he spent about fifteen minutes investigating the path where he found the glove before he went and got Phillips. He thought it would be about 6:15 to 6:30 when he discovered the glove. It then took him about fifteen more minutes to show Phillips, Vannatter and Lange the glove. He thought it was about a half an hour after he first saw the glove that he showed it to Vannatter. After showing the glove to Lange, he then went back out to the front of the house where Vannatter was talking about getting a search warrant. He believed it would have been about 7:00, 7:30 to 8:00 AM by then. He said he remained at Rockingham except for one twenty minute trip to Bundy which occurred around the same time Vannatter left to get the search warrant.

Under re-direct he stated that he did not know what time it was when Vannatter decided to get the search warrant. After finding the glove he was feeling preoccupied with the importance of that find and was not concerned with the time. He said all the times he had given were estimates as he had not looked at his watch much all morning outside of the crime scene on Bundy.

Return to Top
Return to Simpson Main Page