OJ told Vannatter that he and Nicole had been divorced about two years, but separated for over two years. They had tried to get back together for about a year. A year and four months before, Nicole came and wanted to get back to together. "Three weeks ago we said it wasn't working and went our separate ways." The first separation before the divorce was a big problem for him because he didn't want to separate.

He and Nicole had a big fight five-six years ago on New Years, Nicole had "filed a report" on it and as a result he had done community service (1989). Then about a year ago (1993) he had kicked a door in; he had stayed right there until the police came and talked to them.

OJ said he had only a couple of hour of sleep the night before (Sunday, June 12, 1994). In answer to Vannatter's question, OJ said Nicole had a maid, Evia or Elvia, who lived with her.

OJ said that Sydney's dance recital at Paul Revere High School on Sunday ended at about 6:30 - 6:45. The Brown family took off. Nicole was driving her black Jeep Cherokee, OJ was driving his Rolls Royce Bentley. (Hertz owned the Ford Bronco.) Right after the recital, OJ spoke to Lou and Juditha Brown. "Her mother said something about me joining them for dinner, and I said no thanks."

Then OJ went home. He was a little confused about this. He said, "Did I leave? Had to run get my daughter some flowers. I was actually doing the recital, so I rushed and got her some flowers, and I came home, and then I called Paula as I was going to her house and Paula wasn't home." He also said, "...whatever time it took me to get to the flower shop and back...that's the time I was out of the house." But he did go home around 7:00 for a while, got his car, and tried to find Paula, and came back to the house. Vannatter asked when did OJ last drive the Bronco; he said "In the morning, in the afternoon."

He took the Bronco when he went to Paula's because this is the car he prefers to drive, and it had his phone in it. While he was going over to Paula's, he called her a couple of times and she wasn't there. He left a message, then checked his messages but there were no new messages. "She wasn't there and she may have to leave town." Then he came back and sat with Kato. OJ said that Kato, Gigi, and Arnelle also drive the Bronco.

When he brought the Bronco home, he parked it by the mailbox on Ashford. This is where he normally parks it, though he sometimes brings it inside the gate to remove stuff. He parked the Bronco there about 8:00. (In trying to remember when, he said "He (Kato) hadn't had a Jacuzzi.") He and Kato went and got a burger, and then he had gone home and "kind of leisurely got ready to go." The limousine was due at 10:45, and they get there a little earlier. They left the house somewhere between 10:45 and 11:00; the plane left at 11:45, American Airlines.

He brought the Bronco inside to get his "stuff" out of it, and then he put it outside Rockingham, and ran back inside the gate before the gate closed. Vannatter mentioned the "funny angle" the car was parked in, and OJ said he didn't know about that but "I was hustling at the end of the day to get all my stuff, and I was getting my phone and everything off it, when I just pulled it out of the gate there, it's like it's a tight turn." He parked the Bronco outside the Rockingham somewhere around 7:00 - 8:00, 9:00, "In that area."

Vannatter: How did you get the injury on your hand? OJ: "I don't know. The first time, when I was in Chicago and all, but at the house I was just running around." Vannatter: How did you do it in Chicago? OJ: "I broke a glass. One of you guys had just called me and I was in the bathroom, and I just kind of went bonkers for a little bit." Vannatter: Is that how you cut it? OJ: "Mm, it was cut before, but I think I just opened it again, I'm not sure." Vannatter: Do you recall bleeding at all in your truck, in the Bronco? OJ: "I recall bleeding at my house and then I went to the Bronco. The last thing I did before I left, when I was rushing, was went and got my phone out of the Bronco." Vannatter: So do you recall bleeding at all? OJ: "Yeah, I mean, I know I was bleeding, but it was no big deal. I bleed all the time. I play golf and stuff, so there's always something, nicks and stuff here and there." He told Vannatter he got a band-aid at the hotel in Chicago. "Yeah, cause last night with Kato, when I was leaving, he was saying something to me, and I was rushing to get my phone and I put a little thing on it and it stopped."

OJ said he hadn't been at Nicole's house in maybe a week, maybe five days. For the last week he had not been in her house. Since he started seeing Paula again, he "kind of avoided Nicole". I said he went to her house a lot, dropping off the kids, picking the kids up, fooling around with the dog.

When Vannatter asked, OJ said he had "absolutely no idea" whether Nicole was seeing anybody else. "Her and her girlfriends, they go out, they've got something going on right now, one of the girlfriends is having a big problem with her husband because she's always saying she's with Nicole until 3:00 - 4:00 in the morning and she's not. Nicole leaves her at 1:30 - 2:30 and the girl doesn't get home until 5:00 and she only lives a few blocks away." He said he talked to Ron Fischman at the recital about "being glad to be out of the mix" because Ron was having problems with his wife, and another guy named Christian [Faye's boyfriend] was having problems with his girl, and he [sic] was staying at Nicole's house and something was going on, but OJ didn't think that was pertinent to this.

OJ said he had always had problems with Nicole, their relationship has always been a problem relationship.

The only words OJ had with Nicole on Sunday night were to ask to speak to his daughter but he didn't have a conversation with Nicole.

Vannatter asked what OJ was wearing "last night." OJ said, "What did I wear on the golf course yesterday? Some of these kind of pants, some of these kind of pants - I mean I changed different for whatever it was. I just had on some...." They were black Bugle Boy pants. The pants he wore were hanging in his closest. They are washable; OJ had 100 pair, Bugle Boy gave them to him free. He always hangs up his clothes unless he put them in his bathroom for the maid (he said playing golf doesn't necessarily dirty pants). He was wearing tennis shoes, probably Reebok, that's all he wears. They were at home also.

Vannatter told him they had a problem because they had found blood on and in the Bronco and at his house. OJ said "Well, take my blood test." Then Vannatter said they also had the cut on OJ's finger that he wasn't real clear on. Vannatter asked if OJ had the cut on his finger the last time he was at Nicole's house a week ago; OJ said no, it was cut last night (somewhere after the recital) "Somewhere when I was rushing to get out of my house." Vannatter: What do you think happened? Do you have any idea? OJ misunderstood the question.] "I have no idea, man. You guys haven't told me anything. I have no idea. When you said to my daughter, who said something to me today, that somebody else might have been involved, I have absolutely no idea what happened. I don't know how, why or what. But you guys haven't told me anything. Every time I ask you guys, you say you're going to tell me in a bit."

OJ volunteered that he had a "bunch" of guns all over the place. He kept one in the car because recently some guys in a car had given him a problem (he was in the Bentley) on the highway, which he had report to the police.

Vannatter asked if Nicole had been getting any threats from anybody lately or was worried about the kids' safety; OJ said no, not at all. She kept the house locked up; OJ was not aware the electronic intercom didn't work properly. OJ usually parked in the rear at Nicole's house. "Most times when I'm taking the kids there, I come right into the driveway, blow the horn, and she, or a lot of times the housekeeper, either the housekeeper opens or they'll keep a garage door open [sic] up on the top of the thing, you know, but that's when I'm dropping the kids off, and I'm not going in."

OJ said he and Nicole had been going out for about a year, and then the last six months it wasn't working so they "just said the hell with it, you know." That was about three weeks ago. (To summarize, it wasn't working, no sex for last two months, one night in Laguna they had a "beef" and it didn't work after that.)

OJ said they had been together 17 years. Vannatter asked if he had ever hit her. OJ: "Ah, one night we had a fight. We had a fight, and she hit me. And they never took my statement, they never wanted to hear my side , and they never wanted to hear the housekeeper's side. Nicole was drunk. She did her thing, she started tearing up my house, you know? I didn't punch her or anything, but I...." Vannatter: Slapped her a couple of times. OJ: "No, no, I wrestled her, is what I did. I didn't slap her at all. I mean, Nicole's a strong girl. She's a...one of the most conditioned women. Since that period of time she's hit me a few times, but I've never touched her after that, and I'm telling you, it's five-six years ago."

OJ gave Nicole a gift on her birthday, May 19, 1994, of either a bracelet or earrings. When they split she gave both the earrings and the bracelet back. He gave her a bracelet and earrings, one for Mother's Day and one for her birthday, he didn't know which was which. Nicole returned them both three weeks ago or so, and then OJ gave them to Paula "three weeks ago." He told Paula he had bought them for her, and this put him "in a funny place."

Vannatter asked OJ if his attorney, Howard Weitzman, had talked to him about a polygraph. OJ: "I'm sure eventually I'll do it, but it's like I've got some weird thoughts now. I've had weird thoughts...you know when you've been with a person for 17 years, you think everything. I've got to understand what this thing is. If it's true blue, I don't mind doing it." Vannatter explained OJ was not compelled to do it and it goes to the exclusion to eliminate people as well. OJ said he would talk to Weitzman about it. Vannatter: Understand the reason we're talking to you is because you're the ex-husband. OJ: "I know, I'm the number one target, and now you tell me I've got blood all over the place." Vannatter: Well, there's blood at your house in the driveway, and we've got a search warrant, and we're going to go get the blood. We found some in your house. Is that your blood that's there?

OJ: "If it's dripped, it's what I dripped running around trying to leave." "Yeah, and I wasn't aware that it was...I was aware that I.... You know, I was trying to get out of the house. I didn't even pay any attention to it, I saw it when I was in the kitchen, and I grabbed a napkin or something, and that was it. I didn't think about it after that." "That was last night when I was...I don't know what I was.... I was in the car getting my junk out of the car. I was in the house throwing hangers and stuff in my suitcase. I was doing my little crazy what I do...I mean, I do it everywhere. Anybody who has ever picked me up says that OJ - he's a whirlwind, he's running, he's grabbing things, and that's what I was doing."

OJ physically last saw Nicole the night before, Sunday, June 12, 1994. Before that, he had been in Washington on maybe the previous Wednesday. Thursday he was in Connecticut, then Long Island Thursday afternoon and all of Friday. He got home Friday night, Paula picked him up at the airport. He played golf Saturday, and when he went home his son was there. He did something with his son. Then he went to a big affair with Paula Saturday night. He got up and played golf Sunday, and then saw Nicole at the recital. OJ said about ten days before he had previously seen Nicole, when they had a long talk one night about how to make it better for the kids. Then a week ago he had stopped by and his son had to go in and get something, Nicole came to the gate, the dog ran out, and Faye and OJ went looking for the dog.

OJ had, however, slept at Nicole's house many, many times in the last six months since she bought it.