Detective Phillip Vannatter is a police detective for the city of Los Angeles, assigned to the Robbery/Homicide Division; Homicide Special Section. He has been assigned to the Robbery/ Homicide Division for the past 15 years. In the course of his career as a homicide detective he has been involved in over 200 homicides, between his involvement in the Robbery/Homicide division and other Los Angeles homicide units. In terms of the entire time that he has been a police officer he has been at the crime scenes of over 500 to 600 homicides. The Robbery/Homicide section strictly investigates homicides, the division is usually called the Homicide Special Section. The Homicide Special Section usually handles very involved cases, high profile cases, or serial murder type cases. His working partner is Detective Tom Lange, and they were both assigned to investigate the Bundy murder case.

Detective Phillip Vannatter was assigned to the Bundy murder case, when he received an initial phone call at approximately 3:00 o'clock in the morning of June the 13th Monday morning. After receiving the phone call he prepared himself and responded to the crime scene, which was at 875 South Bundy Drive in West Los Angeles. He was first asked about a series of photograph exhibit. He confirmed that what he saw in these exhibits was what he recognized as photographs of that were taken at the crime scene of 875 South Bundy Drive. These photographs depicted the crime scene in the manner in which he found it. He was asked about while he was at the crime scene did he recognize certain items of evidence. He confirmed that in one of the photographs he recognized a man's left-hand leather glove.

Detective Vannatter testified that he arrived at the original crime scene just shortly after 4:00 o'clock in the morning and left that crime scene some time shortly after 5:00 o'clock. Vannatter met his partner Tom Lange. When Vannatter arrived at the Bundy crime scene, the West Los Angeles detectives had the crime scene under security. He then testified that they had a crime walk-through, looked at the evidence, and then came to a decision that they needed to make a notification. Since they had identified the female victim at the Bundy crime scene as Nicole Brown Simpson. Vannatter was told by the Los Angeles detectives that there were two young children that had been taken from the residence ( the two children of the Simpson's: Sydney and Justin ), and that they were presently being held at the West Los Angeles police station. So at that point they made a determination to make an attempt to locate Mr. Simpson, in order to make a notification to him. They determined that his residence location was at 360 North Rockingham Drive in Brentwood, which was in West Los Angeles. So Detective Vannatter, Detective Lange, and two West L. A. detectives ( Fuhrman and Phillips) proceeded to respond to that location.

Once Vannatter and the other four detectives arrived at the Rockingham location, they attempted to make a death notification. Vannatter pointed out the fact that they had the children at the station, and did not know what they would find at the Rockingham residence. Once arriving they went to the intercom system that rings the phone to the home. This intercom system was on the Ashford side of the Rockingham residence, which would have been the North Gate where the Intercom system was located. When they first responded to the location, they parked on the Ashford side. There is an intercom system that's located at the north side of the property, which would be the Ashford gate. They attempted to use this intercom system for a period of time and got no response. Standing at the north Ashford gate, they could here the phone ringing inside the residence whenever they would punch the button. They received no response whatsoever. Vannatter then said that in the same area right next to the gate on the Ashford side of the residence. There was a Westec Security sign that indicated that the Rockingham residence was protected by Westec Security, which is a private security company. The four detectives got in touch with Westec Security by making telephonic contact, and requested their assistance to attempt to determine if there was anyone in this residence.

During this point in time while they were trying to make a notification at the Rockingham residence. They observed parked -- or he observed parked over by the Rockingham gate headed north a 1994 White Ford Bronco. The Bronco was headed north at what would be the east curb of Rockingham just north of the gate. The vehicle was slightly cocked with the front end closer to the curb than the rear end of the vehicle, like it had been hurriedly pulled up and parked at the curb and not parked in a straight angle.

After the arrival of Westec Security , they obtained the phone number to the residence and attempted to make several phone calls by cellular phone to arouse someone in the residence. They received no answer, all they got was an answer phone inside the home. They determined that the answer phone that was answering was inside the home. Because it was the phone number supplied to them by Westec security to the residence. When the answer phone picked up the call, the voice indicated that it was just O.J. . They also questioned Westec security at that point if they had any notification that the people of this residence were home or whether they were out of town or whatever. And therefore Westec informed them in relation to this issue. Based on what they were told by Westec, they went back to the vehicle and observed blood on the driver's door handle of the vehicle, or what appeared to be blood. At that point Vannatter testified, that they did not know what type of situation they had.

It was at this point that one of the detectives with him (Fuhrman), climbed over the fence on the north side of Ashford and opened the Ashford side gate. After opening the gate , they proceeded to the front door of the residence and attempted to arouse someone in the home and was unable to do so. At this point they started securing the property, not knowing what they had at this location. He was asked specifically about what did he mean by "not knowing what we had". He stated that he was concerned about observing blood on the bronco (how did he know this was blood, had it been tested yet, did he try to observe blood in the bronco at this point), they did not know whether they had another murder scene or not. He said that it was quite conceivable that knowing that the ex-wife of Mr. Simpson had been murdered within a very close distance of his residence, something could have occurred there too. And therefore receiving no response from the home, they had no idea what occurred.

They then proceeded around the north side of the property to the rear where there are apparently guest quarters. So at this point they went to the rear area of the house to what appeared to be guest quarters and started knocking on those doors in an attempt to find out if there was anybody at the location. When they did this at the first quarter, they aroused a person who identified himself as "Kato", who later told the detectives that his name was Brian Kaelin. And that this is one of the witnesses that he assisted in arriving to testify before the Grand Jury. They were given information by Kaelin, that Arnelle was staying at the other guest quarters. Given this information they knocked at the other guest quarter door and aroused the female who identified herself as Arnelle Simpson, the daughter of O.J. Simpson. Vannatter said that he had a conversation with her, and that after this conversation. They gained admittance to the house and, with Arnelle's assistance, contacted Mr. Simpson by telephone. At this point Vannatter was present when someone else spoke to Mr. Simpson ( the transcript did not say specifically who).

After this it was beginning to lighten up, the detectives walked outside to make sure that nothing was wrong with the residence and that everything was okay. They looked around the house to make sure nothing had occurred at the home. Vannatter pointed out that an area just below the garage between the southernmost portion of the garage wall and the boundary line of the property, which had been previously marked by another witness with a circle and a line. That a very narrow walkway between the house and the fence, which would be at the south side of the residence. That this narrow walkway that apparently separates the two properties from the other property that would be south of the location that he was pointing at. Vannatter was directed by another detective who preceded him to a area, to a man's glove that was lying in this area. Vannatter was shown a photograph depicting the area on the south side of the house that he had previously described between the actual exterior wall and the fence of the adjoining property. He was shown series of photographs depicting the man's right-handed leather glove that he had personally observed lying on the ground in the area. He confirmed that the glove that he was shown in the photographs, was the same glove that he was describing that he had been directed to see by another detective as he found it in these photographs.

Vannatter said that he had been at the original crime scene earlier , and that he had seen a glove there. He was asked that when he saw the glove behind the residence, did he noticed something that grabbed his attention. He answered back, that the glove that he saw at the south side of Mr. Simpson's residence appeared to be the right glove to the left glove that he had observed at the original crime scene. That they appeared to be the matching right and left gloves. Vannatter testified that he had made a request that those gloves be photographed together in order to demonstrate the matching pair. He was shown to photographs of the allegedly matching gloves. The first photograph showing the back of the hand of the gloves( marked as people's 30). And the second photograph is also of the brown leather gloves showing the palm side of the gloves ( marked as people's 31). He confirmed that the gloves in the photographs were the gloves that he found at the crime scene at 875 South Bundy, and the home of Mr. Simpson at 360 Rockingham Avenue in Brentwood.

Vannatter was then shown a series of photographs (these were collectively marked as people's 5). All three photographs were of the blood on the driver's side door handle of the ford bronco. In one of the photographs he confirmed that the individual pointing out the blood was a man named Dennis Fung. Vannatter requested that a man named Dennis Fung, who is a criminalist for the Los Angeles Police Department. That he come out and test the blood on the handle of the driver's side door.

After seeing the glove that Vannatter believed to be a mate for the one he saw at the crime scene. It began to lighten up to where you could see real well. After coming back to the front of the residence, he observed blood drops in the front of the driveway that led, apparently, from the bronco to the front door of the residence (this is very important because this is proof that the blood drops were left by someone who left the bronco and went directly to the house.). He also observed at that point some blood drops inside the front door of the residence. Vannatter then secured the location , moved everyone out of the residence, and the residence was then declared an extension of the original crime scene at Bundy. And then proceeded to write a search warrant for the property at that time.

Vannatter testified that he had directed that certain photographs be taken at the property of 360 Rockingham Avenue. These photographs were shown to Vannatter ( people's 5 : photograph's -C, -D, -E, -F, -G, and -H ), he confirmed that these photographs were taken at his request. Vannatter confirmed that these photographs depicted the trail of blood drops that led from the area of the Ford Bronco to the front door of the residence. He was asked specific questions about specific photographs ( -D, -E, and -F). He was asked about what he was attempting to depict in these photographs.

He started with photograph -F, that this photograph had showed east from the Rockingham gate leading to the residence, and he was attempting to show the trail of blood drops that lead from the street area, which would be where the vehicle would have been parked up the driveway into the front door of the residence. In another photograph ( photograph -C), he was asked to confirm the position of the Ford Bronco that was parked at the curb. That was in a position as he found it when he arrived at the residence that night or during the early morning hours.

He went to secure a search warrant for the location of 360 Rockingham Avenue. After securing the search warrant, he returned to the Rockingham location. When he returned to the Rockingham location, he entered through the Rockingham gate. Which would be on the west side of the residence. As he was walking through the gate, he observed two men. One man that he observed was man he had recognized as Mr. Howard Weitzman from prior contacts. The other man he observed, identified himself as Leroy Taft. Detective Vannatter had a conversation with Mr. Weitzman. After the conversation he entered the Rockingham location. Vannatter testified on the stand that he had previously instructed uniformed officers that the Rockingham residence was secure location. And that if Mr. Simpson arrived at the location, to keep him from coming into the residence.

Shortly after getting back to the Rockingham residence, Vannatter was inside the house and looked out the open front door, and observed Mr. Simpson at the front of the residence out on the front lawn. Vannatter then responded to Mr. Simpson's location and spoke with him. At this point Vannatter noticed a bandage in the major knuckle area on his middle finger of his left hand. He then proceeded to speak with Mr. Simpson, who then requested that he speak with his attorney, Mr. Weitzman. After Mr. Simpson made this request, Vannatter allowed Mr. Simpson to speak with his attorney.

After this Detective Vannatter left with Mr. Simpson ( who came with him voluntarily consistent with a demeanor of innocence), and then proceeded to the Parker center downtown in West Los Angeles. When Vannatter went with Mr. Simpson to the Parker Center. Mr Simpson was not restrained in any manner and he was accompanied by his attorney Mr. Weitzman. However when he was being interviewed by Detective Vannatter and Detective Lange, Mr. Weitzman was not present in the room with him. Before speaking to Mr. Simpson, Detective Vannatter advised him of his rights. Which he advised by memory not by card. At this point Vannatter was asked to recite from memory what he told Mr. Simpson informing him of his rights. He repeated: " You have the right the right to remain silent.", " If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.", " You have the right to an attorney and to have an attorney present during questioning.", " If you so desire and cannot afford one, an attorney will be appointed for you without charge before questioning.". After reciting this to Mr. Simpson, Vannatter asked him if he understood those rights. And Vannatter said that Mr. Simpson said "Yes," he did. Then he asked if he wished to give up his right to remain silent and talk with the detectives, with his attorney's knowledge, and Mr. Simpson said "yes".

Detective Vannatter then preceded to talk to Mr. Simpson, and then was asked to relate to the Grand Jury what he was told by Mr. Simpson about the events on the date of June 12, 1994. Vannatter then related back that Mr. Simpson said during the interview. That he had been divorced from Nicole Brown for 2 years; that actually they had been apart longer than that. That they had been attempting to get back together in the past year. But about three weeks prior to the date of June 12, 1994, that they had decided that it wasn't working and they were just going to give it up . It just wasn't going to work anymore.

Vannatter then took him to the evening of June 12 and asked him about that evening. Mr. Simpson said that he had gone to his daughter's recital that evening. He said that Nicole and the children were there as well as a number of Nicole's family members. He said that he sat apart from them at the recital and did not talk to Nicole there. After the recital, he spoke with Nicole's mother and that she told him that they were going to dinner and that he was invited to go, which he declined. He left the recital approximately 6:30 to 7:00 that evening and went back home. He said that he drove to the recital and back home in his Rolls Royce.

Vannatter then went on to discuss what Mr. Simpson did once he returned home. He said after getting home, he changed cars, he got into his Ford Bronco, because his telephone was in the Bronco, and he said he went out driving, attempting to find his girlfriend. That he tried to call her and drove by the location and he couldn't find her. He returned home, arriving -- he said parked the Bronco some time around 8 or 9 that evening. He said the Bronco was his car; that he had parked it at the location where he found it.

Mr. Simpson continued to say that after he arrived home, the only person that was there was "Kato" and that he had spent some time with "Kato"; that he had gone out a little later and got some hamburgers. He said that they had driven the Rolls Royce when they went out to get the hamburgers. Then he returned to the house and started preparing to leave for a trip to Chicago to play in a golf tournament for Hertz.

Marcia Clark reconfirmed many of the information that Vannatter had testified to. That he left the recital around 6:30 to 7:00, and went directly home. That he switched into the Ford Bronco, and drove around in that for awhile. Then later on that evening, he went out with "Kato" in the Rolls again to get the burgers. Mr Simpson indicated on whether anyone else was permitted to drive the Ford Bronco. He said that he was the primary driver, but he occasionally let his housekeeper use it for errands. But Mr. Simpson said to Detective Vannatter that he had parked it where Vannatter and the other four detectives found it, himself that evening on the street on the Rockingham side. Vannatter further continued that Mr. Simpson identified his housekeeper as "Gigi".

Mr. Simpson indicated to Vannatter how many times that he had gone out of the house that day and night. Vannatter said that he believed that he stated that he had gone out twice, once to buy flowers for his daughter for the recital and then to the recital was the only two times he had left the house that Sunday. He indicated to Vannatter how many times he drove the Ford Bronco on the date of June the 12th. Vannatter stated that Simpson told him that he drove the Bronco twice. Simpson told Vannatter that the last time he drove the Bronco that day was that after arriving home from the recital, he said that he had gone out in the ford Bronco to look for his girlfriend. That he had driven around and tried to call her and had returned to the residence at some time around 8:00 o'clock or 9:00 o'clock and parked it on the street. He said he first drove it into the driveway, took some items out of it, took these items into the house. And then came back and moved the Bronco back onto the street where it was parked.

Mr. Simpson indicated to Vannatter what he did after getting the hamburgers with "Kato". Vannatter stated that he believed he said that he was in the Jacuzzi for awhile and then started preparing to leave for his 11:45 flight to Chicago.

Vannatter asked Mr. Simpson about how he got the injury to his hand. Vannatter said that when he talked to Mr. Simpson about his injury, that he had previously noticed the bandage on his left hand ( Vannatter had no problem recognizing that Mr. Simpson had a bandage on his hand before it was pointed out to him. Yet not one single witness has been bought forward to testify seeing a bandage on Mr. Simpson's hand prior to leaving for Chicago. ) and he asked him how he injured his hand. Mr. Simpson stated to Vannatter that he really did not know, he told him that he must have injured it sometime that evening while he was preparing to leave on a trip. Mr. Simpson's explanation was that he was very busy and he was rushing around and that he must have injured it, but that he did not really know how he had done that.

Then Vannatter talked to Mr. Simpson about the possibility of his blood being at 875 South Bundy. Vannatter asked him "Were you injured or anything while you were over there ? Could you have been dripping any blood?" Mr. Simpson indicated when he had gotten that cut? That he had gotten it on the evening of June the 12th, sometime between the recital and the time he left the home. Mr. Simpson said he did not know how the cut happen, he could not remember how he injured himself. However he also indicated about whether he had done anything to make the bleeding stop before he left for Chicago while he was still in his house. He indicated to Vannatter and Lange that when he was asked about the blood drops. That the blood drops were his, and that he had noticed during the evening that he was bleeding and that he had grabbed something and wrapped it on his hand, and that the bleeding stopped.

Then Vannatter asked him, "Well, did you injure yourself any other time or were you hurt back in Chicago?". Simpson replied back, "Well, Yeah, I broke a glass back there. I was upset when I got a call from you and I must have re-injured myself.". And then he said he put re-injured on his cut back in Chicago. So he put something on the cut both at his residence and in Chicago. But that Mr. Simpson could not remember exactly. Mr. Simpson said to Vannatter, " I must have grabbed a towel or napkin or something and put it on my hand and the bleeding stopped while I was here.".

Vannatter was asked questions about the execution of the search warrant. Vannatter was present during the service of the search warrant. He was present during a portion of the service of the search warrant, but was not pre sent during the entire time of the service of the search warrant. Vannatter reviewed the evidence that was seized pursuant to the search warrant. The search warrant specifically directed him to look for items containing blood. It also specifically directed him to look for any material or substance of any kind that might contain blood. While looking for these items, he did not observe any napkins or towels that contained fresh blood stains.

Vannatter inquired of Mr. Simpson as to what clothes he wore on Sunday, June the 12th. He told Vannatter that during the day he wore clothes that were like he wears on the golf course, a white shirt, dark slacks. Vannatter also asked him what he had worn to the recital that evening, and he said he had worn, he believed, a t-shirt, pair of dark slacks and some Reebok tennis shoes.

When Vannatter asked Simpson if the blood he found dripped around his house was his. Mr. Simpson replied "yes it was". At the conclusion of the interview he did something with respect to memorializing the condition of Mr. Simpson's finger. Vannatter asked him if he they could take him to the photography lab, and photograph his finger. Simpson said "yes", and then he was walked directly to the photography lab to have that done.

Vannatter also attempted to retrieve a blood sample from him, which was done at the same time as his finger was being photographed. A voluntary blood sample was taken at the jail division, dispensary section. Vannatter was then shown a picture of Mr. Simpson's injury on his middle finger of his left hand. THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN AT VANNATTER"S DIRECTION. ( Only one picture was taken of Mr. Simpson's hand, that was of the one obvious cut on his middle knuckle, of the middle finger. Vannatter specifically answered where this cut was. There was no other testimony about the other two cuts and the small abrasions that were not photographed. How can Detective Vannatter get so detailed about this one cut, and yet when asked about the other cuts. He answers back " I did not examine his hands that closely. I would also like to point out that the issue of the other cuts and abrasions on his left hand. if had not been for Mr. Simpson freely submitting himself to a thorough examination by his attorneys doctors. ).

Vannatter was shown some other photographs. One photograph was of two gloves. He confirmed that in the photographs was of the one glove found at the crime scene, the other found at the home of Mr. Simpson. He was then shown a series of other photographs that depicted a knife. Vannatter confirmed that these were pictures that were taken of a knife, that he had in his possession, that he had purchased from Ross Cutlery in Los Angeles. At the time that Detective Vannatter purchased the knife shown in the photograph, he did not personally have a conversation with the persons that owned the store and the salesperson there. Someone did this at his direction. He dispatched detectives to that location. Vannatter confirmed that the photographs which depicted the knife, which were taken at his direction. Was the knife that he directed to be purchased.

Vannatter at this point answered questions about the handling of his activities of Mr. Simpson's blood vial. Vannatter said he personally hand-carried it to the criminalist who was working on the case, Dennis Fung, and gave it to him to be booked with the other evidence. Vannatter also testified that he picked up two blood vials that were extracted from the victims during the autopsy performed by Dr. Irwin Golden. He picked up the two victims blood vials at the coroner's office and hand-delivered them to the scientific investigation lab and turned them over to Collin Yamauchi, who was the scientific analyst who was working on the case.

Vannatter testified as to what a D.R. number is, and what is its purpose. He said that a D.R. number, is a number that is assigned to any crime report that is generated in the city of Los Angeles and gives the police a quick reference that always identifies that specific report that is done by the police department. Vannatter continued to testify that when evidence is collected and booked into property, it is booked under the D.R number that is bought by the officers that make the actual report. So all the evidence that was collected in the O.J. Simpson case, was booked under the same D.R. number. There were two D.R. numbers assigned, the main number 94-0817431, and the corresponding number 94-0817432. The 31 number was the number assigned to the victim Nicole Brown. The 32 number was assigned to the victim Ronald Goldman.

Vannatter testified that at the time he was present at the original crime scene at 875 South Bundy, that he observed evidence being gathered and collected at the Bundy location. That when the evidence was recovered, it was booked under a D.R. number. He said the evidence should have been booked under the master D.R. number, 31, which is Nicole Brown's D.R. number or crime report number. Vannatter continued to say that with respect to the evidence that was recovered from Mr. Simpson's house, should have been booked under the same master D.R. . He said that the investigators only use "one" master D.R. number for each occurrence, whether you have five, six, or more locations of an extension of a primary crime scene.

When Vannatter turned over the blood sample taken from the suspect, Mr. Simpson, as well as the blood extracted from the victims. To the criminalist or the people that would analyze the evidence, who would then package it under the same D.R. number. It would be standard operating procedure to put the D.R. number on the packaging. Also the blood that was taken from the victims by Dr. Golden during the autopsy, would also have the same D.R number on it. Vannatter was asked whether the blood sample taken from Mr. Simpson that he delivered to Dennis Fung, on whether it had the same D.R. number for the case that he was working on. Vannatter made an assumption that it did have the same number. Because he personally hand-delivered it directly to the criminalist at the crime scene who was booking the other evidence at that time. And told him that the blood vial was part of the evidence in the case. So Vannatter testified that it would have been the responsibility of the criminalist to package the blood vial, and affix the D.R. number to it. Therefore the criminalist was in charge of all the evidence.

During the autopsies, Vannatter witnessed the extractions of blood samples from both the victims during the autopsies. Vannatter did not package these blood samples, but he did turn it over to Collin Yamauchi. Vannatter turned it over to Mr. Yamauchi with the instructions that it was to be analyzed and turned over to Mr. Fung, who was the criminalist doing all the packaging and booking of the actual physical evidence. Vannatter confirmed to Marcia Clark that he attended autopsies of both the victims. And personally observed the extractions of the blood samples from both victims. After the extraction of the blood samples during the autopsies, the blood samples were not immediately handed to him.

The blood samples were taken by Dr. Golden, and he maintained control of the blood samples. And he took it from the laboratory, to the coroner's evidence section. Vannatter picked up the blood samples from the coroner's evidence section. Vannatter observed the manner in which Dr. Golden packaged the blood samples, before he sent them to the coroner's lab. And he was able to determine that the blood samples were in the same package that he picked up fro the coroner's evidence section. Vannatter said that when he witnessed Dr. Golden taking the blood samples to the lab initially, he did not follow the doctor to the lab, but went to the lab later to retrieve the blood samples. Vannatter then responded to the coroner's lab and retrieved the blood samples that were packaged in the same manner that he saw Dr. Golden package it during the autopsies. He then turned over both the blood samples to Colin Yamauchi. Vannatter was asked to describe the manner in which the blood samples were packaged. He responded by saying , that the blood samples were packaged in a small glass vial with a purple top. And that it had a coroner's tag on it in which was affixed the coroner's case number for each victim.

At this point Marcia Clark said she had no further questions to ask of Detective Vannatter, and then preceded to ask questions which had been written down by the members of the Grand Jury.

Vannatter had indicated that he had made contact with a person that had identified herself as Arnelle Simpson. That she allowed the four detectives (Vannatter, Lange, Fuhrman, Phillips) into the Rockingham residence by her own voluntary consent. That at one point that he looked around the grounds for other victims during the entire process of searching the Rockingham residence. Vannatter stated that himself and the other three detectives had not even seen the interior of the house up until the point that they had spoke to Arnelle Simpson. So that they did not know whether someone had been murdered there because of the blood that they saw. So he and the other four detectives were trying to ensure that everything was OK at the Rockingham location. So he looked around the grounds both before and after they talked to Arnelle Simpson. He stated that Arnelle Simpson never objected to the detectives prescience or there searching around the grounds of the Rockingham estate. That she was present when they did do the searching, and that she invited them into the house.

Vannatter testified that he and the other four detectives arrived at Mr. Simpson's house shortly after 5:00 o'clock. He said he did not know the exact time, but shortly after 5 in the morning. He said that he saw the Rockingham glove within a very short time of going over the Ashford north wall. While at the Rockingham residence after speaking to Arnelle Simpson, two of the four detectives were attempting to find people in the home . While the other two detectives were looking outside around the home to ensure that there was nothing wrong and that there was no forced entry anywhere or nobody lying down in the driveways, or hurt anywhere. That after speaking with Arnelle Simpson, he was directed back to the location of the where the glove was found by a west L.A. detective who had observed the Rockingham glove at the side of the residence. So after completing his discussion with Arnelle Simpson, he was immediately notified within a couple of minutes about the glove found. At that point he made a determination about the nature of the location of 360 Rockingham Avenue. After going to the side of the house and observing the glove, and coming back around and seeing blood in the driveway. At that point is when Vannatter made a determination that they had a possible crime scene. Vannatter secured the residence and left the Rockingham location to execute a search warrant for the location. At this point no further search was conducted of the Rockingham location. Until Vannatter had the search warrant signed.

By the time that Vannatter saw the blood in the driveway, the street started to get a little lighter. That it was after 5:00 o'clock when they got to the Rockingham estate, that they had spent quite a bit of time before they ever got onto the grounds attempting to arouse someone in the home by the intercom and by telephone. So Vannatter and the other detectives were there for a period of time before they ever made entrance onto the grounds, and it was beginning to lighten up to see outside at that time.

Vannatter said that when he observed the glove discovered at the Rockingham residence appeared to be bloody. But that he was not able to determine what size both the gloves discovered were. He said that he could only determine that they were men's gloves, and speculated that he thought they might fit his hands, even though he has large hands. At this point of the testimony he was asked to hold his hand up, and asked if he could estimate for the Grand Jury the span of his hand, from the tip of his second finger to edge of his palm. He was provided with a ruler, and using it he estimated that from the back of his palm to the tip of his second finger is 8 inches.

Vannatter was asked that when he was at the crime scene at 875 South Bundy, how he managed to avoid stepping in the blood and making footprints when he was examining the crime scene. Vannatter said that he stayed back from the actual physical blood area. That there was a walkway, or there was an area where you could get into the foliage to get up adjacent to the two victims that were lying in the walkway and off the walkway. When he went up in the foliage area, he had a very good flashlight and was looking at everything at the scene. He stated that he never physically walked into the scene until after the bodies were removed. But that he was very , very close adjacent to the scene. Vannatter confirmed that in an effort to avoid the contamination of the crime scene, that the number of persons permitted inside the tape or close to the bodies or the evidence was extremely limited.

He continued to state that in this particular case, prior or before the criminalist arrived to collect the evidence, the only people who were permitted near the bodies, evidence, blood, or footprints at the crime scene. At the time he was there, were only three people that appeared anywhere close. That was himself, his partner Detective Lange, and the supervising detective from West L.A., who was Ron Phillips. No one else got anywhere inside the crime scene that he saw. The other two detectives that he was referring to, his partner, Tom Lange, and Detective Ron Phillips, did not walk into the bloody area, near where the footprints and blood drops were. That they all stayed back the way Detective Vannatter did.

Vannatter said that Mr. Simpson arrived home at approximately noon, or just very , very shortly thereafter. He again confirmed that the cut on Mr. Simpson's finger, was on the left finger. He said that the glove found at the crime scene, 875 South Bundy, was a left hand glove. That he did not examine that left hand glove to determine whether or not, there was a cut on the finger of the glove. That any examination of the glove would be done by the scientific investigation people.

Vannatter did search for blood drops along the south side of the garage of the Rockingham residence, the area where the blood was found. But that he found no blood drops in this area. Again he confirmed that the trail of blood drops that he found at the Rockingham Avenue residence was continuous from the bronco to the front door. That there were several blood drops that started around the side walk area at the back end of the vehicle, but he could not say how many. That there was a number going up the driveway and then, and that he recalled, there were three inside the front door. That they were not close together, but were pretty widely spaced.

He was asked on whether he searched the luggage Mr. Simpson brought back with him from Chicago. That he searched all the luggage that he had in his possession when Vannatter first saw him. That he had one leather duffel-type travel bag. When he searched the travel bag, he did so with Mr. Simpson's permission.

After making contact with Miss Arnell Simpson and spoke to her father on the telephone. That she immediately called Alan Cowlings to respond to the Rockingham location. That she stayed in the lower portion of the main house. That her guest house was searched as well as the entire area was searched, after the search warrant was brought to the location.

He was again asked to describe the cuts on Mr. Simpson's finger. He responded that as he recalled, That there was one cut that ran horizontal on the larger knuckle of the finger. That the actual knuckle itself appeared to be swollen from the injury. And below that cut, there was a smaller cut, what appeared to be a smaller incision-type cut, that ran across the finger and down a little bit. This cut was not as large as the one on the knuckle, the cut on the knuckle was the larger cut. The larger cut was deep enough that the knuckle was swollen, appeared to be swollen from the injury.

Vannatter stated that he did not observe any nicks to the gloves, or any tears. Because he never really got close enough to them. He saw one at the Bundy crime scene and saw the other glove at the Rockingham location. That he made sure both locations were secured. And that both gloves appeared to be the opposite hands of each other. And he left both gloves as they appeared for the criminalist to pick up for analysing to be done by the scientific investigation division. Any analysing of the evidence he testified, was not part of his function as an investigator.

Vannatter did not recall when speaking to Mr. Simpson, on whether he mentioned calling Mr. Kaelin to turn on the burglar alarm at the Rockingham house. He was asked again whether he recalled Mr. Simpson telling him how Kaelin was able to enter the house to turn on the burglar alarm. That he did not recall having a discussion about that at all.

While in the house he did not know if there were any other blood drops in the house, besides the three drops he saw in the doorway. When Vannatter encountered Mr. Simpson upon his return from Chicago. He was in no possession of golf clubs. Vannatter recalled seeing blood inside the vehicle. He saw blood on the console and blood on the inside of the driver's door of the vehicle that you could see from the outside, but did not recall seeing it on the steering wheel. He also could not see whether there was any blood on the floor of the vehicle where the driver would have his feet. Because he could not actually see the floorboard. He had the vehicle impounded for safekeeping, and this was also done by the criminalist.

Vannatter stated that he did see bloody footprints leading away from the 875 South Bundy crime scene. And that if he were able to locate shoes that matched that patterns shown at the crime scene, that would be a great assistance to him in the investigation. That there is other information that can be gained from examination of those footprints. That you can identify the make and type of the shoe, if the pattern is good enough. That you can also do a stride analysis of the shoe patterns, to give you a proposed feeling whether a person is walking or running or whatever. But that this would all be out of his area of expertise.

Vannatter said he personally did not determine in the course of his investigation at the time he was testifying for the Grand Jury. Whether at the crime scene the gates that were near to the bodies, if they were security gates operable only from the inside or whether there was a key that was needed to operate them from the outside. He indicated that the investigation is currently ongoing.

Vannatter recalled that immediately south of the crime scene area, was part of a duplex which shared a common wall with another residence at 873 South Bundy Drive. And that immediately south of the Rockingham residence, there was another residence. But could not tell what it would consist of.